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Of Course Airbus Is Building the A330neo!

This week Airbus Group (NASDAQOTH: EADSY  ) took the wraps off its newest model: a reengined version of the A330 mid-range wide-body. Airline industry analysis group CAPA stated that the decision to build the A330neo "ends more than 12 months of will they-won't they speculation."

But it was virtually inevitable that Airbus would build the A330neo. To be blunt, Airbus desperately needs the A330neo to keep up with Boeing (NYSE: BA  ) in the wide-body aircraft market. With the A330neo now confirmed, Airbus stands in much better position to challenge Boeing's long-term dominance of the wide-body aircraft market.

The void in the Airbus wide-body lineup
As of early 2014, Airbus had a significant problem on its hands. The A350 -- which is due to make its entry into service later this year -- has proved to be a worthy competitor to Boeing's 787 Dreamliner (and the new 777X) in the market for midsize-to-large twin engine planes. But Boeing has dominated the market for 200-300 seat wide bodies.
Airbus has two main offerings in this segment: the A330-200 and the smallest version of the A350: the A350-800. The A330-200 is a good plane, but it's outdated and not competitive with its closest competitors: Boeing's 787-8 and 787-9. Its only advantages over the Dreamliner are big discounts offered by Airbus and plentiful availability within the next few years.

As a result, sales of the A330-200 passenger variant have fallen off a cliff in the last few years. In each of the past two years, Airbus has booked fewer than 15 orders for the A330-200.

The smallest variant of the A350 has fared equally poorly. At the end of 2009, Airbus had more than 180 orders for the A350-800 -- that total has been gradually whittled down to just 34. The main cause was a decision by Airbus to build the A350-800 as a simple shrink of the A350-900, which saved development costs at the expense of fuel efficiency.

To compete with Boeing in the sub-300 seat market, Airbus needed either an aircraft with better fuel efficiency than the A350-800, or one that could be significantly more fuel efficient than the A330 while maintaining a low price point.

Enter the A330neo
The newly launched A330neo fits the bill. While the exact figures are disputed -- naturally -- the A330neo seems likely to deliver a double-digit improvement in fuel economy compared to the current A330. This probably won't match the fuel-efficiency of Boeing's Dreamliner (despite the claims of Airbus' marketing department), but it will be close.

The A330neo also won't match the Dreamliner's range. The A330-800neo -- the smaller and less fuel-efficient model -- will have a range of 7,450 nautical miles, which is just shy of what the Dreamliner offers.

The larger A330-900neo will probably sell better, but its range of 6,200 nautical miles puts it in a different class from Boeing's Dreamliner (particularly the 787-9, which has the most range). Fortunately for Airbus, most wide-body routes are well within the projected range of the A330-900neo, so plenty of airlines won't care about its relative range deficiency.

On the other hand, Airbus expects to spend no more than €2 billion to develop the A330neo. Given the projected sales volume of up to 1,000 planes, Airbus will be able sell the A330neo at a similar price to what it's currently asking for the A330. That will make it much cheaper than the Dreamliner.

A330neo sales will also benefit from better availability compared to the Dreamliner. Boeing has very few available Dreamliner delivery slots before 2020. By contrast, Airbus plans to begin delivering the A330neo in late 2017.

Foolish final thoughts
While Airbus remained coy about the possibility of reengining the A330 for all of 2013 and into early 2014, the company really had no suitable alternative. The A330 sales pace has been falling and was poised to fall further as Dreamliner availability improved. Meanwhile, very few airlines seem interested in the smallest variant of the A350.

In other words, without the A330neo, Airbus was on pace to cede the vast majority of the small wide-body market to Boeing within the next five years. With the A330neo, Airbus is vastly more competitive. The A330neo will likely be inferior to the Dreamliner in terms of range and fuel efficiency, but offsetting that, it will be cheaper and have better late-decade availability.

So far, Airbus' decision appears to be paying off. At the Farnborough air show last week, Airbus locked up order commitments for more than 121 A330neos -- roughly one year of production. Plenty of other airlines are interested in the A330neo, suggesting that this plane will indeed help Airbus challenge Boeing's long-held dominance of the wide-body market.



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Airbus: More Than 1,000 Orders Coming For A330neo
A decade after proposing it, Airbus launches the A330neo

Shortly after Boeing’s 787 twin-aisle jet program was launched in 2004, Airbus proposed an upgrade of its A330 to counter the threat. The concept was rejected as insufficient by leasing guru Steven Udvar-Hazy and other top customers, however, and the manufacturer ultimately moved forward instead with an all-new airplane, the A350.

Last week, Airbus began development of the reengined A330, dubbed the A330neo, essentially killing off one member of the A350 family, the A350-800. And in an ironic twist, it was Udvar-Hazy, now chairman and CEO of Air Lease Corp., who placed the first order for an aircraft whose basic concept he rejected a decade ago.

AirAsia X, already a large Airbus A330 operator, is now a launch customer for the A330neo. Credit: Airbus Concept
The unveiling of the A330neo at last week’s Farnborough air show also brings full circle the widebody competition between Airbus and Boeing. The 787 was initially designed to compete in the A330 market. Now Airbus is developing a new version of its legacy widebody twin to take on its challenger.

The A330neo not only fortifies Airbus’s position in the medium-sized widebody market it also is evidence of the increasing transatlantic split between European and North American aerospace giants. The closer alliances between Boeing and General Electric Aviation, as well as Airbus and Rolls-Royce, are solidifying, and single-engine supplier programs may become the norm rather than the exception.

As widely expected, Airbus launched the A330neo with the Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 engine, a derivative of the Trent 1000-TEN (see page 25). The aircraft is designed to deliver a 14% reduction in fuel burn per seat compared to the current A330. Following a 3.5-year development period, Airbus plans to deliver the first A330-900neo in the fourth quarter of 2017 and the smaller A330-800neo a few months later.

The new A330 family will be made up of the A330-800neo, replacing the A330-200, and the A330-900neo, succeeding the A330-300. “We are able to do it in 3.5 years because we can take an off-the-shelf engine,” Airbus President and CEO Fabrice Bregier notes.

The aircraft’s maximum range will  be 400 nm longer. However, Airbus is arguing that for most long-haul routes, the range capabilities of the Boeing 787—and arguably the A350—are not needed, so the A330neo will be able to cover more than 90% of all missions. “Around 75-80% of all long-haul missions are up to 8 hr.,” Udvar-Hazy says.

In addition to the engines, the aircraft is to incorporate a new winglet, increased wingspan, new engine pylons as well as an upgraded cabin and avionics.

Airbus says the A330-800neo will reach the same fuel burn per seat as the Boeing 787-8, and the A330-900neo will be as efficient as the 787-9. According to John Leahy, chief operating officer for customers, the -800 will have a range of 7,450 nm and seat 252 passengers. Its maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) is unchanged from the latest A330 version (242 tons). The -900 will have an identical MTOW, seat 310 passengers and have a 6,200-nm range. Airbus figures suggest that the -900 range will be 1,300 nm shorter than the 787-9’s, while the -800 will have 400 nm more range than the 787-8.

Of the 14% fuel-burn improvement per seat, 11% is coming from the engine and another 3% is from aerodynamic improvements and an extension of the wing, which will be 3.7 meters (12 ft.) longer than the current 60.3-meter wingspan. An additional 2% in efficiency is gained from using a different cabin layout that will allow airlines to add 6-10 more seats. There are also some penalties to be counteracted: 1% because of increased drag (the fan diameter is increased to 112 from 97 in.) and 2% because of additional weight. The Trent 7000 engine’s bypass ratio is planned to be 10:1.

There will be no changes to the center wing box, but the wing will be extended, twisted and strengthened to handle the 5 tons of additional weight.

As a result of the A330neo launch, Airbus looks set to finally drop the A350-800; orders for the variant were down to 34 before the start of the air show. “I believe all of our customers will either convert to the A350-900 or the A330neo,” Bregier says. “The A330neo is the more efficient solution” compared to the A350-800, he notes.

It will be a challenge for Airbus to transition to the Neo, though. Bregier and Leahy concede that production rates will likely have to come down somewhat from the current 10 aircraft per month, “but I prefer not to go down too far, because that would make it more difficult to get back up again,” Leahy says. The last current-generation A330 is to be built in 2019.

Tom Williams, executive vice president of programs, says the A330neo will have to go down to what he terms a more sustainable production rate of 7-8 aircraft per month for the long term, but Leahy says he has “no problem” with a rate of 10 per month once the transition is completed. He insists that the A330neo is here to stay for the long term. “It will sell very well until Boeing is doing something new,” he says. He argues that the A330-900 will be on par in terms of operating costs with the 787-9 but will be available at 25% lower capital costs.
     A330-800neo                   A330-900neo
Standard Seating 252 Seats     310 Seats
 (36 business/216 economy)    (36 business/274 economy)
Maximum Design Weights   
 Takeoff 242 tons                        242 tons
  Landing 186 tons                       191 tons
  Zero Fuel 172/176 tons               177/181 tons
Engines    Trent 7000              Trent 7000
  (72,000 lb. thrust)     vb. Bbc.      (72,000 lb. thrust)
Maximum Fuel Capacity   
 139,090 liters                                139,090 liters
Maximum Passenger Range   
7,450 nm                                       6,200 nm
Source: Airbus

Not surprisingly, Boeing Vice Chairman and Commercial Airplanes CEO Ray Conner is openly dismissive of the A330neo. “We know the aircraft really well, and we knew it in 2004 when it came out with a GE engine on it. We know the engine really well because it is the same as we have on the 787. This is the same aircraft Airbus brought forward in 2004, but the airplane is much heavier and the wing was designed in 1980. We will be more efficient, and that’s what the customer is looking for.”

Conner is particularly scathing about Airbus’s statements that the A330-neo’s direct operating costs are on a par with the 787. “The aircraft is 20,000 lb. heavier and has the same engine as we have. It doesn’t have a new wing, and although there are some modifications and improvements, it is basically the same aerodynamics as it has today,” he says. “So the 787-10 is almost 30% better on a per-seat basis compared to the A330-300 today—a new engine isn’t going to get you there.” He does, however, tacitly acknowledge that the A330neo represents something of a force in the market. “I didn’t say it wasn’t a threat,” he adds.

The A330neo puts more pressure on Boeing as it seeks to reduce supplier costs and recoup its investment in the 787. Top executives from Tier 1 suppliers to both Boeing and Airbus tell Aviation Week they estimate Boeing will have to deliver 850-1,000 787s before it starts making money on the jet, which entered service three years late due to technical and production problems.

The selection of the Rolls-Royce engine for the A330neo is the clearest indication yet that the GE-Boeing and Rolls-Airbus duopoly is not only deepening, but becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. The growing polarization of the leading U.S. and European airframe and engine makers over the Airbus A340-500/600, A350 and Boeing 747-8, 777 and 777X appears to have entered a positive feedback loop where the award of exclusive deals for future widebodies not only will stay within the established team but will become almost impossible to break out from.

With potentially limited sales, both GE and Rolls demanded exclusivity on the A330neo, while Airbus hoped to offer a choice of engines. The airframer and its candidate A330neo customers conducted a two-phase engine selection process, which initially competed the powerplants on a technical level. Both engines remained on a par at that phase but changed during the second phase that focused on financial aspects.

Industry sources indicate that GE was unable to match Rolls’s bid, which heavily leveraged its existing majority share of the current A330 with the Trent 700, as well as its exclusive position on the A350 with the Trent XWB. In the end, the decision for GE not to participate further in the A330neo campaign with a derivative dubbed the GEnx-1A “was mutual,” GE Aviation President David Joyce says. “I’ve got more business than I know what to do with over the next 5-8 years. If it fitted into the portfolio with the right economic value, I might have made a different decision,” he adds.

Joyce disputes the notion that a duopoly exists or is growing, citing GE’s heavy involvement in Airbus mainly through its CFM joint venture with Snecma on the CFM56 and forthcoming Leap programs. “By the end of the year, we might be north of 70% of orders for the A320neo. We cherish the relationship with Airbus.”

Airbus’s Williams notes that “both [engine makers] were clear: they needed to be single-source.” But he says that “there is no strategic dimension to this [engine decision].”

While it may make things more difficult commercially, Williams points out advantages on the industrial side. “The engine affects pylon design, and at the same we time we are squeezing fuel [efficiency] to the absolute limit,” he says. Bad integration could cost 1.25% in fuel efficiency. However, Airbus also needs to be aware of limits in engineering resources and timing. “We would have been pressured into two development teams,” Williams says.

Key Airbus customers support suggestions that Airbus could sell more than 1,000 A330neos by 2030. Alan McArtor, chairman and CEO of Airbus Americas, forecasts sales of 1,500 aircraft, but Boeing officials predict those numbers will be much lower. At the air show here, Airbus concluded deals for 121 of the aircraft. Lessor involvement in the launch customer group indicates that investors believe the A330neo program will be a long-term one.

Air Lease Corp. became the first customer to sign up for the aircraft, ordering 25 A330-900neos that are to be delivered starting in 2018. “There is a compelling price difference between the A330neo and any other widebody aircraft,” President and Chief Operating Officer John Plueger says. Udvar-Hazy says he does not think “Boeing can close the pricing gap.”

AirAsia X has been a driving force in the airline industry, pushing Airbus for years to go ahead with the A330 reengining. “We have been encouraging Airbus to launch this new version of the A330 for some time now, AirAsia X Co-founder Tony Fernandes says. “We are 100% sure that the A330neo will be quite unbeatable in its size category.”

The airline’s decision is of particular importance to Airbus because it signals the A330neo could become an important player in the emerging long-haul, low-cost sector that more and more carriers are embracing. Following Qan-tas with its Jetstar unit, Lufthansa has announced plans to launch its own long-haul, low-cost affiliate next year based initially on A330s or Boeing 767s.

AirAsia X last year ordered an additional 20 A330-300s last year and now has firm orders for 51. The airline operates 20 aircraft now, including leased units.

Russia’s Transaero became the second airline to commit to the A330neo, signing a letter of intent for 12 aircraft.

Lessors CIT and Avolon ordered 15 A330neos each. “The sweet spot [for the A330neo] is Asia,” says Avolon CEO Domhnal Slattery. He projects that the average range required for widebodies will come down over time, and thinks that the A330neo could take 25-35% of a potential market for 4,000 aircraft in that segment over the next 20 years. Avolon also has ordered the Boeing 787-9 but says it is an aircraft for a different market niche requiring longer ranges.

BOC Aviation CEO Robert Martin, a large A330 customer, says “the time is right [for the A330neo] and it should not be delayed. It should come now.” Traffic flows, particularly in Asia, will require large-capacity aircraft that are optimized for shorter ranges, he says.

Leahy believes most airlines will order the larger variant of the A330neo, but he has not considered dropping the smaller version as Airbus neared the reengining decision. “Most airlines will order the A330-900, but I still want to be in that category,” he says.

With Joseph C. Anselmo'email'&YM_MID='mmid'&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_3


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Just landed in Toulouse: 1st nose & forward section of the #A330neo, paving way to final assembly start by end Sept.


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Visualmente parece-me muito idêntico... ou não? Pelo menos sem os motores...

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O diferencial estético está mesmo nas asas e reatores. Na foto já dá pra ver que a asa esquerda se assemelha no final a do A350.
« Última modificação: 25 de Novembro 2016, 09:57:49 por New Engine Option »


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Sera que tambem vai ter racoon eyes, como o A350?


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Muito fixolas. Venha de lá o primeiro voo, este é o da TAP, ou vai ser só de testes?


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Mas já deve ter começado a montagem ou ainda não?


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Talvez muita da info para montagem possa estar dependente dos testes deste primeiro para que nao se cometam possiveis erros. Digo eu,nao sei. Mas talvez depois do primeiro voo e teste os que serao entregues entrem em fase de cruzeiro na montagem final
« Última modificação: 25 de Novembro 2016, 14:48:23 por zema »


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Nao, os dois primeiros sao para a Airbus: MSN 1795 e 1813

O primeiro para a TAP sera o MSN 1819.
Os primeiros 3, pois o MSN1833 também é Airbus. Só depois aparece o primeiro para a TAP.


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O primeiro da TAP nessa spreadsheet é o MSN 1819.


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Ups, têm razão. Só tinha visto o segundo TAP. :P
Desculpem o engano.
O mais engraçado nessa lista são os novos Beluga! Estes A330-743L já são também NEO, ou usam a base CEO? Ou seja, motores e asa novos ou nem por isso?
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Quanto aos motores, e segundo a informação do site, parece que vão ser os CEO. Está lá o RR trent 700

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